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15-year-olds. joining me now, the former adviser to john mccain, and cnn political commentator, amanda carpenter as well. mark, you first, gop sources telling cnn, it's pretty much over for liz cheney. schee be replaced as early as next week but a trump loyalist. if you're not willing to lie for trump, you're out of republican leadership and on the outs with the party? >> yeah, don, it strikes me as the entire republican party has gotten on the titanic and is going to crash on the iceberg of the big lie. if you don't lie, and you stand up for the truth, you get punished. this is a party that is promoting marjorie taylor laser beams, and punishing liz cheney for telling the obvious truth.
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what is happening, you have people left who support the big lie, and the party is branded adds the party of the big lie. that is what everybody is going to have to live with, and what strikes me also, is the reason they are punishing liz cheney, they know the truth. ted cruz, yesterday, five years ago, he said trump that is a pathological liar. lindsey graham said the same thing. they know. they know. liz cheney is reminding them that people can have a conscious. >> there is no jewish space lay d lasers. and ted cruz, had a great dinner with president trump. we spent the evening talking about retaking the house and senate in 2022. so kissing the ring and a richt to prove it?
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>> i guess the bright side is that heidi wasn't there for the dinner. trying to find a silver lining. there is a lot of republicans, even people who mean well. let's take the editors of the wall street journal, talking about why a purge of liz cheney would be bad. they said, it would have been better if she would have been quiet about things. but they turn around and say, republicans have to speak truth to voters. excuse me? what are you talking about? this is confrontation is unavoidable. ted cruz and everybody else is running to mara lago to kiss the ring and hope that donald trump is going to serve them on a silver platter. it's delusional. and they tell themselves, they
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will be able to move on from trump if you don't make them mad. that is not going to happen. trump and the truth are income partible. you will never move on from the insurrection lies until you move on from trump, and what kevin mccarthy is doing, he is ensuring that mid temples will be a referendum on trump. look at what is happening in arizona. they have a kir does of an audit. you want to talk about an election integrity, they are handing over private ballots. reporters can't go there and watch over things and what do you they they are going to come up with? and donald trump can come out and say, look, i really won this time, and we're going to go through it one more time. >> thank you for cheering me up, amanda. i appreciate that.
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mark, is amanda right? i'm thinking of a twilight zone episode, and a science fiction, don't wake the sleeping giant because he wakes up, like, roar! it's like, don't mess with him. is that what's happening? do they -- i was just -- i had someone on and they said, it's a feedback loop. it's an symbiotic relationship. >> we talked about josh hawley earlier, another republican senator, who talked about why he voted, and he said, i'm voicing the concerns of my constituents. the reason they had concerns is because trump lied to his constituents about the election. so if josh hawley would have
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been a leader, he would explain that the president of the united states and leader of his party had lied to them. voicing the concerns is voicing the concern of the president who who lied to him. >> this is kevin mccarthy, what he is saying about liz cheney. >> i have heard from members, c concerned about her ability to carry out the message. we need to be working as one if we're able to win the majority. remember, majorities are not given, they are earned. that is about the message going forward. >> what message is he talking about? does the party have a message? >> the message is whatever trump wants it to be. really, liz cheney has not changed a word about what shihab sayin said about the insurrection. the only thing she sanged, and
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kevin mccarthy, he is a leader in name only, and the way it's going, i mean, he's never going to be good enough for donald trump. mike pence was not good enough for trump. he wanted to hang him. you can let rid of liz cheney, but this isn't going to be over. you might as well give the gavel to matt gates if you are not going to draw a line in the sand. this is never going to end. the confrontation f you want to get away from this, has to be had. now there is a chance to have it. i am some what hopeful here. i look at marjorie taylor greene. if you cut liz cheney loose, she can raise more than that. >> thank you, i hope you liked my sleeping giant impersonation. roar! >> i did. >> thank you very much. we will see you soon. i want to bring in congressman jason crow of colorado. thank you so much for joining us. the republican territory is in
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on the attacking of anyone who admits the insurrection. how does it affect you and the democrats and the ability for democrats to function? i think that is a very, very important question. >> yeah, thanks for having me on, don. you just were talking about a different side of the same coin here. the coin is that this is no longer the republican party as we used to know it. that i grew up around, i was raised raised in republican conservative family. this is the party of donald trump. and whether you sleep the insurrection under the rug, and whether they are trying to muffle liz cheney. it's all part of the same course of conduct. now, how it impacts us is we just have to tell the truth and continue to do our work. and we have to also make sure that the american people don't forget about what did happen. we are less than four months out
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from an insurrection against our democracy, from rioters taking over the u.s. capitol, from a police officer being killed. i am not going to let people forget that. because we have to have accountability. we have to be proof for the country to reconcile. >> are you able -- you said you just have to continue to tell the truth and do your work. the truth is urnt assault. people don't know what to believe right now. at least some obviously. many are believing the big lie. but are you able to do your work in this environment easy specially when there is -- in the senate, where there's -- there is a majority, but it's very slim. are you able to get the accomplishment with the obstructionists on the other side? >> we passed the american rescue plan. we don't talk about that too much, and i don't think we with overstate how important that is and how transformational it is,
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ending child poverty, reopening schools, gets businesses open safely. we got that done. and come july, august, september, people start to safely go back to schools, as we get more shots in arms, as we actually govern, people will say that. all right, i believe -- i have long believed the antedote, it's not trying to remember outtweet him. coming up with a burn. people will see that. >> i want to talk in a moment, kara swisher what happens with facebook, and deplatforming trump, what have you, to see what happens next. i want to talk about how dangerous it is to recast the truth on what happened on january 6th. i had the honor of interviewing two heroes who protectioned the
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capitol in the insurrection. this is how they describe january 6th. watch this. >> i experienced the most brutal savage hand-to-hand combat of my entire life. let alone my policing career. which spans almost two decades. i want people to understand that, you know, thousands of riots came to the capitol hell bent on violence and destruction and murder. >> the people, the terrorists there on the 6th, they were there to cause harm and they came prepared for a fight, and they hurt us, physically, and emotionally. >> you understand their fear. i mean, this picture shows you confronting your colleagues when you hid from the riots in the
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house galley. what is it like to hear from your them, what you experienced that day? >> that's tough. no other way to put it. there is a moment, i called my wife and told her i loved her, and tell my kids i love them, as we were trapped in the house gallery, surrounded by the mob. i didn't know if i would make it out. i thought i would have to fie my way out, and those in the gallery with me, we know what happened. we remember what happened clearly, there is no doubt about it. it was a brutal, terrible day. it's important we tell the history of that, and i have a bill called the capital remembrance act that could tell and historically accurate account of what happened. but let's not forget the other element of this. this is not just an exercise in the integrity of history. we have an on going and growing
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domestic extreme movement. it's growing. the extremists, the conspiracy theorists, the militia members, they know what happened too. so it's important not just to tell the truth. it's important that we are honest with ourselves and the risk we face. >> congressman crow, thank you for your time. i appreciate you're appearing. >> thanks, don. >> as i was mentioned, facebook's new overside board will discuss whether or not to allow disgraced president trump back on the site. which wocould allow him to post gone to 32 million followers. how big tech handles the battle with free speech and public safety concerns. kara swisher is here, a "new york times" writer where she has
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written about the relationship between trump and facebook. it's so -- and also her podcast sway, i was just on. thank you so much. good to see you. >> no problem. good to see you. >> it's been four months since trump was booted from major platforms from instigating the insurrection. do you think he will be allowed on facebook? >> that is my prediction. with some caveats. but i have a feeling, and i have heard from people that is what is happening. you don't know what would happen. i think we will find out tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. it's something we are a waiting on a donald trump suspense story. >> those are issues you have debated. he used facebook and other social media to spread disinformation, propaganda, lines. he was a master at it. even if he gets back on, you
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said there are a bunch of caveats. what do you think happens then? >> then they kick him off again. it's like a game of whack a mole. i don't blame at all. why wouldn't you take advantage if the companies will let you do whatever you want. many people get kicked off for much lesser things, and it finally took them until january 6th until they decided they didn't want to be part of a seditious behavior. they tried to put labels on him on twitter and they finally had enough, and facebook did make the decision to suspend him because of the safety of people at the capitol and elsewhere, and facebook punted it off to this board, an independent board, paid for by facebook, of
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20 prominent people to make the decision. it's a little like the u.n. or the supreme court. i don't know what to compare it to. but this is facebook's job to make this decision, and they have the responsibility to do so, to keep their hands clean. rh i'm not sure why they want to do it. >> i don't want to you answer with your opinion, whether you think he should be back on? >> no, he is an outliar who broke the rules on the platform, and the head of reddit said, he is a malignant cooperator. >> i would take advantage of an opportunity like this. i don't disagree with you at all. do you think their are shirking their responsibility? >> i do.
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mark said he don't want to be an arbor of truth. if you don't want to be a tor arbiter of truth, why build a platform where there is an arbiter of truth. it's whether they are responsibility. and it's clear they have impact, and january 6th shows that, and they do have some responsibility to manage the platform. twitter has made the hard decision, and it wasn't an easy one. youtube is still sort of in the middle. it hasn't put trump back on, but facebook has handed it off to others to make the decision because they can't make it on their own. i think it's their decision to make. others don't think that but i do. >> yeah so what do you think of -- he has a new landing page. trump has a landing page, a kind of blog called from the desk of donald j. trump where he can share statements and videos.
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it's clear he is desperate to get back on social media. >> yeah, interesting. it's a blog. i don't know what it is. it was done by his new company. he is really smart guy about tech. whether you like him or not. he uses tech effectively in the trump compaampaigns. not always but often. better than the clinton campaign. i tweeted, what's a desk? i never heard of sfwhun and he's trying to figure out a way to broadcast or replace twitter, and what is interesting, whether, i think some people in the trump or bit think that twitter can be pressured to return trump to twitter. that is where his real home is. that is where he is like a
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maestro of malevalance. >> there are people that have been kicked offer for breaking rules. why is he different? >> he was news worthy. we are waiting on the division tomorrow. that was the reason at the time. >> wouldn't he be allowed back on? most people, it's a done deal. you are kicked off, sorry, done, you're out. >> what if world leaders were kicked off by agroup of people running facebook who just didn't like the world leaders? i guess that would be the avenue they may go down, that this is a bigger issue about free speech. >> it's not a right, it's a privilege to be on social media, right? >> there's the debate. >> abide by the rules. all right, thank you, always a pleasure. >> thank you, don. a high school science
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a new jersey high school teacher suspended from his job after going on an angry, profanity-filled rant against george floyd and black lives matter. one senior recording it on her phone, and saying she and three other students of color were singled out by their teacher. i have to warn you, the video is disturbing. here is cnn's alexandra field. >> the bottom line is, we make him a [ bleep ] hero? he's not a hero. >> reporter: a tirade from a jersey city high school since teachers, ranting to his landscape and design class, a student says, against george
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floyd. >> you guys emulate people that are wrong that are criminals and you make them right because they're black or have a bad story. >> reporter: he unleemps on the black lives matter founder. >> the ladies that run it are multimillion narps. >> reporter: later, a student -- he is not privileged, a response. >> i ain't [ bleep ] privileged. i come to work, and i get paid by my black vice principal. >> you are privileged. every white person is. >> [ bleep ] you, i'm privileged. >> if i didn't record it and it just told my principal, he probably will not believe it. >> reporter: she says she left the virtual class in tears after she and three other black girls
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were singled out with an assignment, she said she contacted several other kouns l ko counselors in the class. >> no one has reached out. >> reporter: the next day, she was back in class. demanding she explain why black lives matter. >> why not? why not? >> because i don't want to present. >> why? you sound like my other student, you don't care. you can't make a case for yourself? no, you can't. that is why. >> no, that is not why. >> i don't think you can make a sense. you know, don't worry about it. you're full of [ bleep ] too. >> he has not responded to cnn for a request for comment. he told the washington post, he is judged on a snapshot. and his comments were taken out
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of context and he cannot comment further. he has been suspended with pay while the jersey city legal department investigates. in a statement, they say they are appalled by the statements he made to students. the jersey city public spokesmen says they are still collecting information and haven't yet received the video. >> i hope he doesn't ever teach again. >> reporter: she says her daughter is still reeling, sends and friends and relatives and her mom heart breaking messages. >> she said, mom, do you accept me for my color, my race? and i said, yeah, of course. i love you, you're my only child. i will die for you. that broke my heart.
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and that touched me. and i'm like, what has this man done to my daughter? >> i don't know who is looking a the me in a different way. i don't know who will be like, i don't like you because of your color. just don't matter. >> don, anyone who watches the videos may be quick to come to conclusions, but they say its investigation is under way. they have eached out to local police and child protective services. howards watkin is a professor as well. the college has responded to the release of the videos, and he has suspended with pay pending further investigation. don? >> alexandra field, thank you so much. republicans across the country trying to make it harder to vote. but any next guest says it's -- in at least one key state, e excuse me that can backfire on
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let's discuss, daniel a. smith is here, and philip baum from the washington post. florida's governor ron desantis is going to sign a bill. critics call it a revival of jim crow. can it backfire on the republicans? >> it's great to be on, don. look, we know that republicans use vote by mail. they historically have done so here in florida. they have done so in great numbers. that changed in 2020. democrats mobilized because of fear of covid, liberals more concerned about their health, shifted to voting by mail. 2.2 million democrats cast mail ballots. that was an increase from about 29% of all ballots cast in 2016 being by mail to democrats up to
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about 54%. a huge increase. republicans, 1.5 million, just a slight up tick from around 34% of all ballots cast. so ron desantis is concerned about the democratic surge with the use of vote by mail. will it hurt republicans? sure. that is not who is targeted by the specific efforts to cut down on after hour vote by mailing in drop boxes and other onerous conditions. >> so, answer me this. if ballot drop boxes were used by 1.5 million florida voters in 2020, what is the purpose of limiting something like that? >> that's a great question. i mean, ron desantis said this is a model election. drop boxes were rolled out across all 67 counties. they actually started in
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pinellas county using them across their county. and it showed great success. ron desantis thought it was a great election. what is the problem with allowing 24/7 drop boxes that have supreme court security. they have noted there are no problems at any of the drop boxes with respect to the ballots. 1.5 out of 4.8 vote by mail ballots estimated to be drofed off. many after the close of early voting hours. other supervisors have early voting open from 9 to 5 in a two-week period. what is the point of a drop box that is there that is open in normal business howers. we don't go to atms in normal business hours. are atms to go when the bank is
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closed. >> go and vote against your checking account at off hours. listen, philip, "the new york times" had some analysis how voters of color making up a big percentage of the electorate. texas and florida really would be blue if latinos voted like their counterparts in new york or lil lil but the population gruth has not had a strong pro democratic punch in the states where the party hoped to land a knockout blow. diverse voters, didn't turn tout be true. >> right, i think it's important to remember, it's a really long term trend. and the data point i like to point to is the fact that in 2008, the united states moved very sharply to the left, elected the first black
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president, and in 2014, six years later, a more drdramatic move to the right, and trump, white voters who may not have a college degree, got them to come out and vote. we look back at the tat person last week, and i looked at house races and presidential races. there hasn't been a correlation between a move to the left, and increasingly diverse electorate. but it's also the case we are seeing a lot of other shifts under the seams. we see a shift in 2020 according to polls where hispanic voters in particular in florida and south texas, nevada, were likely to vote for president trump than they had been in 2016 as well. among white voters, a shift that is happening for more than a
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decade now, the sort of things help influence what the final outcome is, and it's not always in the direction you anticipate. >> daniel, talk to me, you got over 11,000 email responses from florida voters and discovered republicans who always vote in person, that wasn't true. tell me what you found. >> yeah, so we surveyed around 12,000 voters in florida. a scientific poll. we had about 5,000 who voted by mail, republicans, democrats. we did so in late summer, july, up until august 1st, this was right when trump started to rail against vote by mail. very aggressively. you might remember his interview at the white house with chris wallace on fox sunday news where he ripped on vote by mail. and it was before the survey was out of field before he kind of turned and pivoted on august 3rd here in florida.
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where he said, in florida, vote my mail is okay. we asked the voters, how do you usually vote, and from the vote his history files, we actually know exactly how they vote. no who they cast their ballots for. but in method. we look at republicans and democrats who always vote by mail, and we found in the survey, one in four republicans who we know always vote by mail, they say no, no, no, i vote in person. and after the election, we looked at the vote history and looked at what people said in terms of the august -- july, august, how do you plan on voting, and we found 1 in 5 who said they were going to vote by -- said they were going to vote in person, but they voted by mail. >> i got to run. thank you, daniel. thank you, we are out of time.
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there is a lot to discuss right now with the director on of the center for child health, behavior and department of children's hospital. he is also editor in chief. thank you for joining. >> thanks for having me. >> say the vaccine is authorized next week. how soon do you think kids will be able to get vaccinated. >> i think they be able to get vaccinated right away. the truth is, we're in a situation, regrettably, that vaccine supply is exceeding demand. so depending on where you live, the vaccines are available immediately, and once children are authorized to get them, they are sign up just like anybody else. >> children generally haven't gotten -- i'm speaking generally. unlike older people, there have been cases, as you know. what do you say to parents who think they should take the risk rather than get get kids the
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vaccine? >> it's really good point, and i have been on the voe before and made the point that children are low risk. which they are. but they are not low risk. some children get very ill. some children get a long covid, which we are still trying to figure out what that is. and it's too early for us to know what the long term implications of children getting covid might be. and the second thing i would say, from a societal perspective, any person who can get and transmit the virus keeps the virus circulating, keeps the virus from potentially reaching someone who is high risk, and more importantly, keeps the virus from being able to mutate, and right now, all of the mu tragss, where they are
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originated, are superintsusceptible to the u.s., and it's one of the times they are nonsusceptible. so it's in the best interest of all of us that we all step up and get a vaccine and stop transmission. >> i'm glad you said that. listen, you know summer's coming. parents will be concerned about this. rightfully so. the cdc has put out guidance for summer camps. masks must be worn, basically all times, when playing sports by everyone including vaccinated adults. you call this draconian. what do you sympathy be done? >> well, it's disappointing to see the recommendations for summer camps are about where they were last year. in some ways, more strict than last year, and we learned a lot in the past year. we learned that transmission
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outdoors is rarer. we know that young children transmit less frequently than older children and we have a vaccine available. so why do we have recommendations from the cdc that says if you are vaccinated and outdoors, you don't mask? and now we have a vaccine available for 12-year-old children, or will by summer, and subject children to the strict guidelines notch me, it's -- there's much more simple -- a simpler strategy. if your child is 12 years or older, get them vaccinated and they can go to summer camp. if they are younger than 12, this summer, they are playing outside, let them not wear masks. test frequently if you can, and have them not wear masks, and if they are indoors and can't socially distance, that i can mask like they have been doing in schools. it's interesting to me, don, we have stricter guidelines around children and camps than we do in
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restaurants, than we do for adults. why? why do we not let children get back to their lives? they've made an enormous sacrifice over the last 15 minutes. a sacrifice that will have long-term implications for their social and emotional development. we must prioritize doing everything we can to normalize their lives as soon as possible. >> doctor, it's always a pleasure to have you on. always great information. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. take care. >> we'll be right back. finding new routes to reach your customers, and new ways for them to reach you... is what business is all about. it's what the united states postal service has always been about. so as your business changes, we're changing with it. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide. same day shipping across town. returns right from the doorstep, and deliveries seven days a week. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting.
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